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The smoke and mirrors of psychiatry and nocebos
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Aztec Mix
2020-06-19 01:31:47 UTC
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I speculate that the diagnosis by a licensed professional, as might pertain to any given individual, as being mentally ill, might perhaps at times induce a nocebo-like effect, which might arouse symptoms of actual mental illness in the participant, even if he or she is actually a psychologically well-adjusted individual to begin with.

But like with the perhaps better known placebo, which might, through similar power of suggestion, produce feelings of and sometimes actual wellness, the opposite effect caused by a nocebo might be that it might cause the individual diagnosed as such to actually feel ill, even when he or she is not.

Such an individual might therefore, as per the expectations of himself, as well as of anyone else who might know of and believe the patient’s diagnosis, actually feel inclined to behave as a mentally ill individual might, thereby displaying symptoms which might further reinforce his or her diagnosis. It is perhaps a viscous cycle to be caught up in!
gamo
2020-06-22 01:03:20 UTC
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Post by Aztec Mix
I speculate that the diagnosis by a licensed professional, as might pertain to any given individual, as being mentally ill, might perhaps at times induce a nocebo-like effect, which might arouse symptoms of actual mental illness in the participant, even if he or she is actually a psychologically well-adjusted individual to begin with.
But like with the perhaps better known placebo, which might, through similar power of suggestion, produce feelings of and sometimes actual wellness, the opposite effect caused by a nocebo might be that it might cause the individual diagnosed as such to actually feel ill, even when he or she is not.
Such an individual might therefore, as per the expectations of himself, as well as of anyone else who might know of and believe the patient’s diagnosis, actually feel inclined to behave as a mentally ill individual might, thereby displaying symptoms which might further reinforce his or her diagnosis. It is perhaps a viscous cycle to be caught up in!
Maybe, but to make meta-medicine you have to be an MD.
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“Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer
in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is
taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be
a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae
the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as
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2020-06-24 01:28:24 UTC
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Post by Aztec Mix
I speculate that the diagnosis by a licensed professional, as might pertain to any given individual, as being mentally ill, might perhaps at times induce a nocebo-like effect, which might arouse symptoms of actual mental illness in the participant, even if he or she is actually a psychologically well-adjusted individual to begin with.
But like with the perhaps better known placebo, which might, through similar power of suggestion, produce feelings of and sometimes actual wellness, the opposite effect caused by a nocebo might be that it might cause the individual diagnosed as such to actually feel ill, even when he or she is not.
Such an individual might therefore, as per the expectations of himself, as well as of anyone else who might know of and believe the patient’s diagnosis, actually feel inclined to behave as a mentally ill individual might, thereby displaying symptoms which might further reinforce his or her diagnosis. It is perhaps a viscous cycle to be caught up in!
Maybe, but to make meta-medicine you have to be an MD.
--
http://gamo.sdf-eu.org/
“Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer
in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is
taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be
a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae
the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as
a wlohe.”
I first saw this sort of thing in the Vancouver Courier around 15 years ago.
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