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shattered hologram
2023-01-30 07:24:36 UTC
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I have no regrets of encouraging Saddam Hussein to be deposed from
his position, for he was an oppressive tyrant and raised statues of himself
promoting worship of himself and cult of personality, rather than
faith in the Almighty God.

However, Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo prison abuse, especially
the sodomy, is deeply regrettable, counterproductive for democracy
or righteous government and unconditionally condemned.

Likewise, considering the loss of Islamic lives as less worthy and
just a "collateral damage" was not a politically correct statement
and not leading to promotion of the value of the Western-style
democracy, the rule of international law and widely accepted
moral values.

Such statement appears racist and discriminatory, and I have
never supported this policy.

However, it is probable that they will not go on for so long
unnoticed if there was not a regrettable 9/11 WTC attack and
the loss of civilian lives as well, which are very sacred to all
Americans so I will not discuss their loss in this context.
shattered hologram
2023-01-30 08:02:14 UTC
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I wondered if God is Almighty and Merciful, why wouldn't He just destroy
me and start over.

The reply from the spirits was that it was attempted in the Great Deluge
and that the mankind repeated the same things over again.

It is likely that I would fall into the same traps over in a restarted life if
I do not learn from my mistakes and remedy the bad things I've done in
life.

However, some things can never mend, because the people wronged are
gone or dead. This implies the need for a spiritual remediation outside of
the realm of material Universe and material consciousness.

Atheist and communist cultures largely deny the existence of God, Jesus,
angels, spirits, demons, good or evil, making the remediation harder or
impossible. The simulations show that the societies without the means of
remediation of wrongs can only spiral downwards.
shattered hologram
2023-01-30 10:35:50 UTC
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Additionally, to clear any doubts, despite having no regrets of deposing
Saddam Hussein as a tyrant with the cult of personality and self-worship
rather than promoting faith in God Almighty Creator of the Worlds and
the Universe, it is sad that the new government chose to execute him,
showing no more respect for the sanctity of life than he and his sons did.

This applies also to the cases of Moamar el Gadaffi, Pol Pot and even
Mr. Solobodan Milošević (there are theories that he was murdered somehow
rather than died the natural death when he started talking too much about
what he knew). In all cases, it would be more beneficial if they lived in
prison for life and had time to learn from their errors and possibly make
amends.

In light of this, even condemning drug dealers to death penalty would
be way too extreme, as we know how many Americans easily got planted drugs
as "mules" unknowingly in the lugagge and were sentenced to long prison terms in
difficult environment of murderers, rapist and sodomites, and sometimes
even to death.

in the Lord
Amen
shattered hologram
2023-01-30 10:57:27 UTC
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Additionally, in light of the universal redemption preached by most religions,
death penalty should be considered a failure of society to rehabilitate the
individual and chose to eliminate him rather than trying to work on his correction,
repentance, making amends and reintegration into society.

The same applies to committing an individual to isolation in a mental institution
as a failure of society and treatment.

It should be looked upon as an easy way to rid society of the unwanted persons
they perceive as a threat to their well-being and position, rather than justice or
medical treatment.

The mental health system paradigm was abused far too often in the repressive
regimes for it to be an accident or just a small number of cases.

Unlike the church who offers apologies and tries to make amends for the child
abuse by pedophile priests, there is no such conscience or remorse shown in
the psychiatric profession or it is booed, silenced and considered unprofessional or
unscientific.

Psychiatrists have approved eugenics, sterilisation, euthanasia or open
execution of the mentally ill while approving, as quoting a renown medical
professional, Eichmann as "sane and showing desirable social qualities".

At the same time, may of the inmates of his concentration camps underwent
the states that psychiatrists called delusional, psychotic or disorderly, and
attributed them to their previous predisposition, rather than trauma or difficult
circumstances.

Many prison or camp guards went home and kept the role of decent fathers of their
families, despite doing objectionable things today described as crimes against
humanity to the inmates.

The communist systems had the history of eliminating the individuals perceived
as a threat to the establishment by means of direct execution, gulag sentences
or by the means of State psychiatry.

There is no criticism towards the role of the Serbian psychiatrists Dr. Radovan
Karadžić and Dr. Jovan Rašković in the insurrection of Serbs and ethnic cleansing
of the occupied areas and the consequent genocide in Srebrenica that was internationally
condemned.

On the contrary, in the psychiatric ward where I visited my mother the head of
forensic unit made a statement that Dr. Radovan Karadžić is a "good psychiatrist".

It is arguable whether his deep knowledge of the collective unconscious and human
psyche makes him a better psychiatrist or more morally responsible for the war crimes.

in the Lord
Amen
Greg Carr
2023-01-30 14:05:24 UTC
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Post by shattered hologram
Additionally, in light of the universal redemption preached by most religions,
death penalty
I support the death penalty there will always be bad seeds and incorrigibles.
Post by shattered hologram
should be considered a failure of society to rehabilitate the
individual and chose to eliminate him rather than trying to work on his correction,
repentance, making amends and reintegration into society.
Why waste the time and money?
Post by shattered hologram
The same applies to committing an individual to isolation in a mental institution
as a failure of society and treatment.
In the time of JESUS they were sometimes shackled to rocks with chains.
Post by shattered hologram
It should be looked upon as an easy way to rid society of the unwanted persons
they perceive as a threat to their well-being and position, rather than justice or
medical treatment.
The mental health system paradigm was abused far too often in the repressive
regimes for it to be an accident or just a small number of cases.
True.
Post by shattered hologram
Unlike the church who offers apologies and tries to make amends for the child
abuse by pedophile priests, there is no such conscience or remorse shown in
the psychiatric profession or it is booed, silenced and considered unprofessional or
unscientific.
Prof. Tynehurst here in B.C. whipped one of his female clients. Simon Freud used cocaine and had sex with his female cousin and said his female clients who talked of male relatives raping them were making it up. Here in BC there was a guy who was having homicidal thoughts about ppl for no reason he did what such ppl are told to do and sought psychiatric help he ended up killing the shrink.
Post by shattered hologram
Psychiatrists have approved eugenics, sterilisation, euthanasia or open
execution of the mentally ill while approving, as quoting a renown medical
professional, Eichmann as "sane and showing desirable social qualities".
At the same time, may of the inmates of his concentration camps underwent
the states that psychiatrists called delusional, psychotic or disorderly, and
attributed them to their previous predisposition, rather than trauma or difficult
circumstances.
Many prison or camp guards went home and kept the role of decent fathers of their
families, despite doing objectionable things today described as crimes against
humanity to the inmates.
Yes that is true.
Post by shattered hologram
The communist systems had the history of eliminating the individuals perceived
as a threat to the establishment by means of direct execution, gulag sentences
or by the means of State psychiatry.
That is true.
Post by shattered hologram
There is no criticism towards the role of the Serbian psychiatrists Dr. Radovan
Karadžić and Dr. Jovan Rašković in the insurrection of Serbs and ethnic cleansing
of the occupied areas and the consequent genocide in Srebrenica that was internationally
condemned.
Uhhh they get lots of rebuke. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Radovan-Karadzic He is in prison and is expected to die there convicted of genocide way back in 1985 he did 11 months in jail for fraud.
Post by shattered hologram
On the contrary, in the psychiatric ward where I visited my mother the head of
forensic unit made a statement that Dr. Radovan Karadžić is a "good psychiatrist".
Being born in Serbia is not a good start in life although it didn't stop that tennis champ I saw on TV yesterday.
Post by shattered hologram
It is arguable whether his deep knowledge of the collective unconscious and human
psyche makes him a better psychiatrist or more morally responsible for the war crimes.
He is guilty, guilty, guilty. Should have been executed.
Post by shattered hologram
in the Lord
Amen
You have a good week.
shattered hologram
2023-02-08 10:18:03 UTC
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Dana ponedjeljak, 30. siječnja 2023. u 15:05:26 UTC+1 korisnik ***@gmail.com napisao je:

[will be replied later in a separate post]
Post by Greg Carr
Post by shattered hologram
There is no criticism towards the role of the Serbian psychiatrists Dr. Radovan
Karadžić and Dr. Jovan Rašković in the insurrection of Serbs and ethnic cleansing
of the occupied areas and the consequent genocide in Srebrenica that was internationally
condemned.
Uhhh they get lots of rebuke. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Radovan-Karadzic
He is in prison and is expected to die there convicted of genocide way back in 1985 he did 11 months in jail for fraud.
Post by Greg Carr
Post by shattered hologram
On the contrary, in the psychiatric ward where I visited my mother the head of
forensic unit made a statement that Dr. Radovan Karadžić is a "good psychiatrist".
Being born in Serbia is not a good start in life although it didn't stop that tennis champ I saw on TV yesterday.
Yes, but this means they have a choice between succeeding in good and being proficient in evil,
ethnic cleansing, displacement of the population, murder and rape.
Post by Greg Carr
Post by shattered hologram
It is arguable whether his deep knowledge of the collective unconscious and human
psyche makes him a better psychiatrist or more morally responsible for war crimes.
He is guilty, guilty, guilty. Should have been executed.
Look, Greg, the man did and devised much evil scheming resulting in many deaths and suffering.

However, I would not have him executed if I had the power. For Mr. Slobodan Milošević died in
prison and was suspected to have been murdered in prison by the popular Serbian culture.
His death did not bring more peace and prosperity to the Balkans.

I would like Mr. Radovan Karadžić (I don't consider him a doctor for he broke the Hippocratic oath
not to harm any human being), I would like him to understand how ethnic cleansing and payback
for 600 years old accounts and evils is fundamentally wrong in the sight of God whose faith
he claimed to spread. And for the very country and nation he wanted to make bigger and greater.

Eventually, if Mr. Karadžić does not repent and express remorse for his politics and war crimes,
and persists in the belief that there had been an international conspiracy against his righteous cause,
there will be dozens of Karadžićs and Miloševićs is a couple of decades. The death penalty would not
kill his wrong belief and dangerous ideas, repentance and remorse would help end the vicious cycle
of violence, death, rape and abuse in the Balkans.

This is why I would not execute any criminal in the Death Rows in the USA and worldwide,
despite "wasting" the money and resources. I would arguably want them to express they have
committed at least an error like Mr. Pol Pot of the Khmer Rouge had before he passed away.

I did not understand that then, but his realisation of the errors in the making of the Killing Fields
of Cambodia provided an opportunity to resocialise also his followers, for otherwise by committing
so many people to death and executing them, we would become much like them, rather
than civilised and respectful of the God Creator, Christian faith (Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant),
and the Ten Commandments.

Unlike many of the victims of his politics, Mr. Radovan Karadžić was never diagnosed with
a mental illness and is thereof fully responsible for his deeds and actions. However, sentencing
him to death would only add fuel to the eternal fire of bloodshed and hatred in the Balkans IMHO.

It seems unrighteous that I plead for his cause while he would never plead for mine or his
victims', but I feel in the Christian and civilised point of view, this is the higher truth, grace,
mercy and longsuffering of the evil ones.

in the Lord
Amen
Greg Carr
2023-02-11 07:04:36 UTC
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Post by shattered hologram
[will be replied later in a separate post]
Post by Greg Carr
Post by shattered hologram
There is no criticism towards the role of the Serbian psychiatrists Dr. Radovan
Karadžić and Dr. Jovan Rašković in the insurrection of Serbs and ethnic cleansing
of the occupied areas and the consequent genocide in Srebrenica that was internationally
condemned.
Uhhh they get lots of rebuke. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Radovan-Karadzic
He is in prison and is expected to die there convicted of genocide way back in 1985 he did 11 months in jail for fraud.
Post by Greg Carr
Post by shattered hologram
On the contrary, in the psychiatric ward where I visited my mother the head of
forensic unit made a statement that Dr. Radovan Karadžić is a "good psychiatrist".
Being born in Serbia is not a good start in life although it didn't stop that tennis champ I saw on TV yesterday.
Yes, but this means they have a choice between succeeding in good and being proficient in evil,
ethnic cleansing, displacement of the population, murder and rape.
Post by Greg Carr
Post by shattered hologram
It is arguable whether his deep knowledge of the collective unconscious and human
psyche makes him a better psychiatrist or more morally responsible for war crimes.
He is guilty, guilty, guilty. Should have been executed.
Look, Greg, the man did and devised much evil scheming resulting in many deaths and suffering.
However, I would not have him executed if I had the power. For Mr. Slobodan Milošević died in
prison and was suspected to have been murdered in prison by the popular Serbian culture.
His death did not bring more peace and prosperity to the Balkans.
I would like Mr. Radovan Karadžić (I don't consider him a doctor for he broke the Hippocratic oath
not to harm any human being), I would like him to understand how ethnic cleansing and payback
for 600 years old accounts and evils is fundamentally wrong in the sight of God whose faith
he claimed to spread. And for the very country and nation he wanted to make bigger and greater.
Eventually, if Mr. Karadžić does not repent and express remorse for his politics and war crimes,
and persists in the belief that there had been an international conspiracy against his righteous cause,
there will be dozens of Karadžićs and Miloševićs is a couple of decades. The death penalty would not
kill his wrong belief and dangerous ideas, repentance and remorse would help end the vicious cycle
of violence, death, rape and abuse in the Balkans.
This is why I would not execute any criminal in the Death Rows in the USA and worldwide,
despite "wasting" the money and resources. I would arguably want them to express they have
committed at least an error like Mr. Pol Pot of the Khmer Rouge had before he passed away.
I did not understand that then, but his realisation of the errors in the making of the Killing Fields
of Cambodia provided an opportunity to resocialise also his followers, for otherwise by committing
so many people to death and executing them, we would become much like them, rather
than civilised and respectful of the God Creator, Christian faith (Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant),
and the Ten Commandments.
Unlike many of the victims of his politics, Mr. Radovan Karadžić was never diagnosed with
a mental illness and is thereof fully responsible for his deeds and actions. However, sentencing
him to death would only add fuel to the eternal fire of bloodshed and hatred in the Balkans IMHO.
It seems unrighteous that I plead for his cause while he would never plead for mine or his
victims', but I feel in the Christian and civilised point of view, this is the higher truth, grace,
mercy and longsuffering of the evil ones.
in the Lord
Amen
I disagree but very well written have a good weekend.
shattered hologram
2023-02-13 15:37:01 UTC
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Post by Greg Carr
I disagree but very well written have a good weekend.
I agree with your right to disagree and thank you for your kind remark.
Greg Carr
2023-01-30 13:47:36 UTC
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Post by shattered hologram
I have no regrets of encouraging Saddam Hussein to be deposed from
his position, for he was an oppressive tyrant and raised statues of himself
promoting worship of himself and cult of personality, rather than
faith in the Almighty God.
Good.
Post by shattered hologram
However, Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo prison abuse, especially
the sodomy, is deeply regrettable, counterproductive for democracy
or righteous government and unconditionally condemned.
Yes it was.
Post by shattered hologram
Likewise, considering the loss of Islamic lives as less worthy and
just a "collateral damage" was not a politically correct statement
and not leading to promotion of the value of the Western-style
democracy, the rule of international law and widely accepted
moral values.
Such statement appears racist and discriminatory, and I have
never supported this policy.
However, it is probable that they will not go on for so long
unnoticed if there was not a regrettable 9/11 WTC attack and
the loss of civilian lives as well, which are very sacred to all
Americans so I will not discuss their loss in this context.
Like what PM Trudeau said yesterday.

Emotional prayer room ceremony marks 6th anniversary of Quebec mosque shooting
A ceremony will be held this evening to mark the sixth anniversary of Quebec City’s deadly mosque shooting.
CP
By Caroline PlanteThe Canadian Press
Sun., Jan. 29, 2023timer3 min. read
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QUEBEC - An emotional commemoration marking the sixth anniversary of the Quebec City mosque shooting was held Sunday for the first time in the same room where many of the victims were killed.

Mamadou Tanou Barry, Ibrahima Barry, Khaled Belkacemi, Abdelkrim Hassane, Azzeddine Soufiane and Aboubaker Thabti were gunned down not long after evening prayers at the suburban mosque on Jan. 29, 2017. Nineteen others were injured in the hate-fuelled attack and 17 children were left without their fathers.

Mosque co-founder Boufeldja Benabdallah was among those who spoke Sunday evening and said his thoughts were with the families of the victims, the children left without their fathers, the widows of the six fallen men and those who survived.

“You told us, ‘You must not forget our husbands,’” Benabdallah said addressing the widows. “We have not forgotten, each one has their name.”

On the second National Day of Remembrance of the Quebec City Mosque Attack and Action against Islamophobia, community members and dignitaries sat on the ground shoulder to shoulder in the prayer room where the attack occurred six years earlier, also on a Sunday evening.

Said Akjour, who survived the attack, said he could still pinpoint where his brothers fell that night.

“From this huge loss there are positives, even just by being here tonight to say no to violence, it’s thanks to my fallen brothers,” Akjour said, his voice trembling.

His message was to fellow Muslims to reach out, to share and to allow themselves to be known.

“This attack happened because there was mistrust, there was ignorance about what a mosque is,” Akjour said. “The person who came in here, who did all this damage and took the lives of humans didn’t see them as humans, as citizens, as fathers.”

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told attendees it is important to send a message that violence and hatred have no place in this country. He also spoke of the Afzaal family killed in London, Ont. and Mohamed-Aslim Zafis, a volunteer who was killed outside an Etobicoke mosque, victims targeted because of their faith and culture.

“Canada is a place of openness and respect,” Trudeau said. “And we need to recommit ourselves to these values every day.”

The gunman behind the Quebec attack pleaded guilty and was originally sentenced to life in prison with no parole eligibility for 40 years, but saw that window reduced to 25 years after a 2022 Supreme Court ruling. (Greg: Fail by S.C.C. in any case we need the death penalty again in Canada.)

Aymen Derbali, who was shot seven times as he rushed the gunman and was left paralyzed as a result, choked back tears as he said he was at peace with the court’s decision. But he told attendees he wanted everyone to see the mosque shooting as a terrorist attack.

“We see around the world when it’s an attack perpetrated by a Muslim, it’s a terrorist attack but the same attack by a non-Muslim is not,” said Derbali. “It’s a flagrant injustice and if it’s a terrorist attack, it’s a terrorist attack, it shouldn’t be a label reserved for Muslims.”

Mohamed Labidi, president of the mosque, said six years have passed but the impact of that night is forever engraved in their hearts and minds.

“We all have a duty to remember to ensure that no other Quebecer or Canadian falls to the bullets of hatred,” Labidi said.

Labidi lauded positive actions by the federal government, including tougher gun laws, a day to commemorate the attack and the naming of Amira Elghawaby, a journalist and human rights advocate from Ottawa named as Canada’s first special representative to combat Islamophobia.

But he said there remains more to do and called on the Quebec government to take concrete actions to combat Islamophobia.

On Thursday, mosque officials strongly denounced Law 21, Quebec’s secularism law on the books since 2019 which prohibits the wearing of religious symbols such as hijabs, kippas and turbans by teachers, judges, police and other government employees deemed to be in positions of authority. (Greg: I also condemn Law 21.)

Quebec Premier François Legault defended the law on Friday as “reasonable” and told reporters it was “wrong” to claim it had made Islamophobia easier.

Legault did not attend Sunday’s event due to what a spokesman described as a family obligation. He paid tribute to the victims in a tweet earlier Sunday and the Quebec government was represented by deputy premier Geneviève Guilbault.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Jan. 29, 2023.

— By Sidhartha Banerjee in Montreal with files from Caroline Plante in Quebec City.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/2023/01/29/ceremony-to-mark-6th-anniversary-of-murders-of-six-muslim-men-at-quebec-city-mosque.html

Islam is wrong about Mohammed being a prophet and the Koran says he married a 6 yr old which is weird, disgusting and evil. Islam is right about the death penalty for gay sex, polygamy being legal and giving alms to the poor. The Koran was written 600 years after the New Testament.
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